Wednesday, November 5, 2008

Sorry. I'm Peeing In The Punchbowl.


Although I am feeling huge and joyful elation over yesterday's election, I just have to take a few moments to say something about the fact that possibly a tenth of our population was told yesterday that, like African-Americans a few generations ago, they do not have the same civil rights as the rest of "us."

And as excited and proud as I am about the fact that Americans got off their asses yesterday and managed to vote for the best candidate who also happened to be of African-decent, I am as equally pissed and sorrowful that we decided to alter the constitutions of several states to prevent many of our citizens from enjoying the same rights as other citizens. What were people thinking when they voted to put it into the constitution of their states that marriage should be defined as being only between a man and a woman? If they'd tried to define marriage as a union between two people of the same race, it would have been an outrage! That would never have made it to the ballots. But defining it as a union between a man and a woman?

Oh sure.

Give me a break.

I find the whole situation vile.

And rather unbelievable.

I thought things in this area were changing. At least in California, for god's sake.

But I suppose when a group like the Mormons (who let's face it- mostly live in Utah) throw their energy and 20 million dollars into a fight, they can get some stuff done.

Some vile stuff.

I mean- the Mormons didn't give up polygamy (officially, anyway) until 1890 when the law of the land not only forbid the practice in no uncertain terms but began to actually prosecute it. And even then, it wasn't a "revelation" but was described as an "official declaration" and one would think that if anyone was interested in protected the rights of adults to marry as they see fit, it would be the Mormons but no. Guess not.

Maybe they're just all pissed off and frustrated because they can't follow their God-given right to the one-man-many-women marriages that God had seen fit to allow them.

I don't know.

Here's what I do know:

Jesus did not talk about homosexuals. He DID talk a lot about loving your neighbor and not judging others and feeding the hungry and giving the shirt off your back to someone who needed it and taking care of the children.

So why don't these tax-exempt churches put their might and money behind changing constitutions to make these things the law- the things that Jesus DID actually discuss and advise his followers to do?

Huh?

Why that would be like, uh, welfare. Or socialism. Or...OH NO! Communism!

I had a discussion with a woman I know on this subject today. She was raised in the pope's church to believe that homosexuality was a sin, but she's now tolerant enough to believe that perhaps it's more of an aberration. But when I asked her why she thinks that homosexual couples should be barred from legal marriage, she hemmed and hawed and said something about the fact that if anyone can get married, then her "legitimate" marriage might mean less. When I pushed her as to how that would work, she didn't really have an answer.

She thought she'd come up with a good argument when she said that if some people were born with the proclivity of being attracted to children, then should we just allow THAT too?
I asked her why she'd even bring that into a conversation about homosexuality but of course the answer is clear- to her homosexuality is still a sin and a perversion.

I didn't point that out but I said, "The difference there is that a child is not a consenting adult."

"Oh yeah," she said.

She's trying to stretch her mind around it all but it's a slow process. I believe though, that by the time our conversation was over, she was farther along in the process than she was before it started.

I'm just angry.

As I've said before, over and over, for me it's all about love and consenting adults. Not consenting adult and child. Not consenting adult and goat.

Just plain old consenting adults.

You want to marry two men? Do they want to marry you? Fine by me if you're all over eighteen.

You want to marry forty-eight women? Do they want to marry you? Go for it if you're old enough to go to war.

None of that is going to affect my marriage.

Did you know the divorce rate for Christians is higher than that of agnostics and atheists?
So perhaps if we want to "preserve the family" and "protect marriage" we should outlaw conservative Christianity.

Just saying.

And I could say so much more on this subject than anyone in the world would want to read but I'll just say it all boils down to this:

Yesterday we not only denied the rights of citizens to marry based on the gender of the people whom they want to marry, we, in some cases, took those rights away.

This fight is not over. And I hope that someday we'll look back on the whole thing with an attitude of what the fuck was THAT all about? the same way we can now look back on the buying and selling of human beings.

Because both of these issues are based on the belief that some segment of humanity does not deserve the rights that others receive. No matter what your religious or moral beliefs, you cannot deny that fact.

Slavery ain't right (even though the Old Testament said it was, and oh yeah, it also said polygamy was okay too) and neither is denying the rights of people in love to be afforded the legal rights and protections of marriage because they're gay.

And that's one of the things I was talking about yesterday when I said we have work to do.

Let's get started.

17 comments:

  1. It's sad to have the bitter taste of this loss of rights mixed in with joy over finally electing a president and VP who are not living out old psychodramas and can actually lead the country from a position of mental health.

    I confess I pulled down a few "Yes on H8" (marriage is between one man and one woman) signs here in CA. I'm not exactly proud of it, but I reached my limit of treating hate speech as a reasonable point of view.

    Thanks for taking a stand against discrimination. I, too, thought we were past this. I'm a little sick over the outcome. But I'll rally to have those conversations, where "they" are just as human as "us," and deserve the same rights as anyone else, even the rights to welfare enjoyed by all the families of polygamists in AZ and TX. Hopefully we won't expand their rights to rape and trap underage girls to anyone else. But I guess that's a chance you take when you take your "morals" and "values" about marriage from a woman-hating, polygamist religion (and yes, polygamy is still currently featured in the book Joseph Smith wrote).

    --Lisa

    ReplyDelete
  2. "But, Ms Moon, if we allow THEM to get married, then people will start marrying animals!"

    Sigh.

    I have never understood the logic in that argument, or the one about it hurting the "more legitimate marriages". That's because there is no logic there to be had. Just fear and prejudice.

    And I know that it is disheartening. I am basically sick over amendment 2 passing.

    But we'll get there.

    When Barack was born, schools were still segregated, and now he is going to be president. In a few years, we'll be hailing the first openly gay president and trying to remember what it was like before they had the same rights as the rest of us.

    Basically, what I am trying to say is Gay is the New Black. It's only a matter of time before the rest of the country catches up to us. It's hard being ahead of our time, isn't it?

    ReplyDelete
  3. As B put it, way to add insult to injury. It was already illegal, why make it doubly so? Fuckers.

    ReplyDelete
  4. Lady Lemon- I know. I know. It's ridiculous to be so impatient when such a huge change was just accomplished. BUT- dammit- it's so wrong.

    DTG-BASTARD!!! fuckers.

    ReplyDelete
  5. some dear friends of mine FINALLY, after seventeen years, were allowed to have their relationship legitimized by the state of California.

    the idea that this could be taken away breaks my heart.

    ReplyDelete
  6. no, ms. moon, you are right. it is SO wrong and you have every right to be pissed about it.

    ReplyDelete
  7. I'm so shocked that it happened. And I'm so saddened as well. Makes me want to puke.

    ReplyDelete
  8. The ballot language in AZ actually read 'marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman' - can't be too careful with all those silly Mormans around. It won. Along with the question about continuing to allow Payday Loans. I can tell you that these places circle the Army base and prey on the soldiers, and the poor people in the state where I live.
    May the 'Yes we can' philosophy continue - there are a lot of things left that need changing in the US.

    ReplyDelete
  9. The injustice is so easy to see. I'm shocked that we even have to point out how similar the denial of rights has been for gays as to the civil rights movement. Obviously, African-Americans fought through much worse, but it all comes down to basic civil rights. It's not a gay issue, it's a civil rights issue. Plain and simple.

    Someday... I want this to be a reality for me and Tanya. For now I'm just trying to save up enough cash for a ring... shh...[winks]

    ReplyDelete
  10. LL- well, maybe today wasn't the best day to bring this up. But I feel so strongly about it. And the dichotomy of the Obama YES and the gay rights NO was so strong..

    MM- I hear that Jerry Brown (now the AG of California- I think) says all the marriages previously performed will stand as valid. I hope so.

    Auntie B- don't puke! You're pregnant!

    MOB- yep! We still have work to do but we can do it from a far more hopeful place.

    And AJ- you come on down to Florida and I will marry you and your lady. It may not be legal but it will be real and it will be real fun. I've done it before.

    ReplyDelete
  11. I don't have much time so I didn't read through this yet, but just wanted to say that I'm glad you blogged about this - because as elated as I am about Obama, something is nagging me about Prop 8 being defeated in California. I guess I just want the whole world to catch up to my way of thinking, and that's not great I guess - but hell, I do anyway :)

    I'm sure I'll have more comments when I have time to actually read, but for now, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one finding the work that still needs to be done for our gay brothers and sisters--my heart aches for them today.

    ReplyDelete
  12. I just want to add my Amen here, Everybody. It does certainly point to all that work we still need to do. I'm not so surprised about Florida, but I had higher hopes for California. If they're that backwards still, I fear we have a long way to go on this issue. In the meantime, remember what my gay friend Jim says: "You heteros haven't shown us that marriage is such a great thing so why would we want to emulate it?" Small comfort for many, I know.

    ReplyDelete
  13. http://www.nyacyouth.org/#

    Here is a righteous and dynamic organization that will take all the support you can give. Sorry I couldn't hyperlink it.

    ReplyDelete
  14. Thank-you, Juancho. That's a great site. We so often forget our GLBT kids and the incredible bravery they must have just to live their lives as they are.
    Bless them.

    ReplyDelete
  15. And Lopo- sad, but true. But cold comfort, yes.

    SJ- thank-you. As always, I appreciate your words.

    ReplyDelete

Tell me, sweeties. Tell me what you think.